Comments on: Vaginal Childbirth Video Animation

By: BillyG800

BillyG800 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

nice retort to you …
nice retort to you as well. and i agree with you that in a practical sense Warren’s argument may have some holes when it’s up to the woman to choose the discourse of her pregnancy.

But regardless, i believe a woman should not be required by the state or national gov’t to carry a pregnancy to term if she does not want to.

By: rcollins305

rcollins305 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

Good retort, but …
Good retort, but seriously, Warren’s complete definition of “human” excludes infants, and arguably late term fetuses exhibit traits 1 and 3 within limits. Her opinion might fly as an abstract concept in academia, but should it be used as a decision-making foundation in a moral society?

The debate becomes more resonant when a woman has to decide whether or not to abort. I don’t think many pregnant women use Professor Warren’s decision matrix at that time, nor do courts, because it is inhumane.

By: BillyG800

BillyG800 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

Perhaps. But …
Perhaps. But Philosopher Mary Anne Warren writes in her piece “A Defense of Abortion” that to be considered a person, in addition to being genetically human, a being should have the following 5 traits:

1 Consciousness and the ability to feel pain
2 Reasoning, capacity to solve problems
3 Self-motivated activity
4 ability to communicate on indefinitely many topics
5 presence of self-concepts and self-awareness

All (w/exception of 1 & 2) are not necessary, but if none are represented, no person.

By: rcollins305

rcollins305 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

As a famous doctor …
As a famous doctor once said, “A person is a person, no matter how small.”

Not sure what a “potential person” is, as I have yet to receive my Certificate of Actual Personhood.

By: BillyG800

BillyG800 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

well no. at least …
well no. at least not in my opinion. ans though i respect others’ viewpoints, this clump of cells that will grow into a human being is merely a potential person. its rights are undoubtedly trumped by its mother, an actual person. in order to protect her interests she needs to have control over her body. do you believe abortions violate a fetus’s right to life?

By: BillyG800

BillyG800 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

when body systems …
when body systems form. when brain activity begins, and heartbeat comes, and the signs of a living organism are apparent. if a clump of body cells is a life, then is scraping the inside of your cheek for cell samples considered murder?

By: rcollins305

rcollins305 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

You accurately …
You accurately point to what is the center of the argument for or against abortion. In your opinion, if human life doesn’t begin at the early cellular stage of development, when does it begin?

By: BillyG800

BillyG800 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

i agree. a clump …
i agree. a clump of cells is by no means a life.

By: CityUndead

CityUndead — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

That scares me.
That scares me.

By: thereikfish

thereikfish — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000

lol
lol